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0:00:36 – Speaker 2
So where do I start? That truly is the question we get from parents all the time about the whole culture of conversation we’re trying to create here at nextTalk. Today’s show is to try to explain that when you start and how do you start building that open communication in your home. And let me tell you, it is a big task.
0:00:53 – Speaker 3
That’s a big task, to do it on one radio show.
0:00:54 – Speaker 2
We’re going to cram a lot of information on here.
0:00:58 – Speaker 3
I would say, first of all, you’ve realized that you need to create the open communication. That is the best first step. Just realizing, okay, we don’t have this or I need to improve what we already have, kind of thing. Just, you know, we talked about in the last show why is nextTalk needed? You know about how important it is to create this culture in your home today, because there has been a shift in parenting and this really is the answer to keeping them safe. So once we realize that, you know we have that light bulb moment and we’re like, oh, I need to do a better job of creating open communication in my family, that kind of awakes us up. But you know, in my book I cover this in four steps and it’s step one, me, step two, my marriage, step three, my kids and step four, my tribe. We’re not going to be able to cover all that today, but you know that whole it really starts with me, it really does.
0:01:44 – Speaker 2
It really does. I didn’t know you wanted to get out of it because I did. But seriously, we have got to look at ourselves, look in the mirror, assess our tone, our tone, and not be realize if we’re not good listeners. I mean, that is key.
0:01:58 – Speaker 3
I you know, that is the first thing. Looking back, when I had that light bulb moment, when I realized we don’t really have this kind of culture, that I need to keep my kids safe, that is the first thing I did with my kid was I crawled in bed with her one night. She was in fourth grade and I said what can I do better as a mom? That was my starting question and what she said really hurt me. She said you’re not a good listener and in my mind I was thinking do you know how much I’m juggling? Like I got very defensive, but she was telling me that I wasn’t a good listener. So I tried to listen. Yes, I tried to listen.
And I said well, give me an example of that. What does that mean? And she said you know, sometimes you’ll be multitasking at the kitchen counter and I’m telling you a story and you’re nodding your head like mm-hmm, mm-hmm, Like we all do, right? Because we’re unloading the dishwasher, we’re checking our phones, we’re helping Bubby with homework and listening to her story, Like we’re doing all this at once and I’m listening, you know, and nodding my head. But then she said we get to the end of the story and you ask a question and I had just told you that information, yeah, she can tell you.
So I totally caught, was caught red-handed here, that I wasn’t listening, I wasn’t tuned in, and so I made a deal with her and I said, hey, I’m going to come back to you every couple of months and again, I want you to give me a report on how I’m doing as listening. But I tell you that story because so many times we’re shutting down conversation and we don’t realize it. Like kids are trying to tell us something and we’re mm-hmm, mm-hmm, we’re so busy and that we can’t really hear them, and then they’re like well, it’s not important to mom. And so we’re creating barriers that we don’t realize we’re creating.
0:03:34 – Speaker 2
And, a lot of times, that whole process of starting with yourself and asking your kids, what can I do better? And realizing what some of those barriers are. Part of that, too, is thinking about your own baggage, because a lot of times we’re super sensitive. Those are triggers for us. So, if we’re saying to our kids tell me everything and I want to hear what you’re hearing and nothing is off limits, but then they ask a question about something that’s a trigger for you.
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A lot of times we’ll tense up, we’ll give the look, maybe we’ll have the tone Like why would you ask me that? Or we sweep it under the rug, so we do all of those things that shut down communication and that tells our child, whether with words or with actions, you can’t ask me about this, and they will ask someone else, or they will Google it.
0:04:13 – Speaker 3
I know this hurts guys, but we got to deal with our own stuff because we cannot talk to our kids Like if we have, you know, if one of our triggers are abortion or having sex before marriage or you know, like a mistake, stds, something that we have struggled with personally in our life and we can’t get past it and forgive ourselves and move on and heal where we are. You are right. We can’t constantly be shoveling those questions under the rug and that sends a message to our kids. I mean we have to be. No topic is off limits. When we say that, we mean it.
0:04:45 – Speaker 2
I just want to throw in something to lighten it up just a little bit for a second.
0:04:48 – Speaker 3
Because we did just talk about STDs, we did, we did.
0:04:52 – Speaker 2
But I was talking with one mom and it was so great because she was in this phase of looking at herself in the mirror and she was saying one of the things that I really had to practice. I’m like waiting for her to drop the bomb. I’m like what was it, girl? Was it something bad in your past? And she’s like I couldn’t say vagina and I was like, oh okay. And she’s like my family.
Nobody ever used the real words Vagina and penis, and so penis and vagina and testicles and so we laughed about it, but she’s like literally saying it was painful for her because it was not allowed in her house. So your baggage and your triggers can even be something like being able to use the right words with your kids. I know that a lot of parents struggle with that.
0:05:31 – Speaker 3
But what an awesome recognition. It was great. This mom was like I gotta create open communication. What is hindering that? She looked in the mirror and she’s like I can’t say these words. I love that. If I knew this girl, I would text her vagina every couple hours.
0:05:47 – Speaker 2
The peach emoji right. Yeah, so really we gotta start with ourselves before we can be there present, able to talk about things with our kids. It’s so important, and if you have older kids, this might even start with an apology.
0:06:00 – Speaker 3
Yeah, sometimes a lot of parents they’ve given their kids a phone and they didn’t realize what they were actually giving them and there were no guidelines behind it or whatever. I mean we’re in this.
0:06:09 – Speaker 2
Don’t beat yourself up about that. Yeah, do not.
0:06:11 – Speaker 3
There’s a whole slew of people like that that it was just the new thing to do. Give your kid a phone. And you may be thinking now, oh, I should have set perimeters and we should have discussed it. I mean, go to them and maybe that will help create some conversation and say I didn’t realize that we there were so many bad things that could happen online and I know there’s lots of great things too, but my job as your mom or your dad is to protect you from the bad things. And so can we come up with a system in our house where I am reassured that you’re okay online, that you’re not seeing all this stuff, that you’re not getting bullied, that a sex trafficking pimp isn’t waiting in the dark trying to befriend you and you’re fine with talking to cyber strangers. Like we just need to have some of those conversations, and so hopefully that will help open up some things.
Also, with older kids, you can say share stories like you know news stories like kids getting abducted from sex trafficking. Realize that, yes, share them and say you know, I didn’t have these conversations with you, I’m so sorry. Like I kind of missed this. One thing that I like to tell parents like don’t feel guilty about this. Cyber parenting has blindsided all of us. We’re all scrambling trying to figure out how do we keep our kids safe online.
0:07:22 – Speaker 2
Yes, and you know transparency sometimes people get nervous about that, Like saying to their kids in a humble moment like I’m sorry, I missed this and I didn’t know and I want to do better, and they think I can’t say that to my kids. They will take advantage of that. You’ll be surprised when you let down your guard a little bit and you’re transparent and you’re just human with them. Man, you’ll be surprised at some of the conversations that will start and how that opens the door to furthering conversations about other things that are happening in their world.
0:07:51 – Speaker 3
Yeah, well, and if you explain the why behind your rules, Absolutely. You know I remember saying to my 11 year old when she wanted Snapchat no, you’re not getting Snapchat because we’re not there yet. You know I’m not to that part, to that place yet where I really trust you online or and I trust everyone else. So we got to walk through this together. But you know you can lay down the line, you can make rules, but explain the why behind it.
0:08:16 – Speaker 2
Yes, absolutely. My eight year old just the other day asked when am I gonna get a cell phone? Because someone in our circle got a cell phone. And they are five and.
I just about died. But anyway, when he said that I was of all people, I wanted to just be like what are you crazy? You’re eight years old, you’re not getting a cell phone. But I said, well, here are some things that I’ll be looking for, and that’s when we’ll know there’s no set age, because I don’t wanna put myself in that box of setting age, and then if they’re not ready or you’ve had a red flag recently, yes, yes yes, so you know, just explaining the why behind those types of conversations helps so much.
Yeah, also, this is one that I remember from even when I had babies, and guess what? It applies now. You have got to take care of yourself as part of this looking in the mirror, starting with yourself. Parenting in this digital age is really hard. It’s exhausting Not that parenting wasn’t before, but it is intense on a whole new level because you’re learning a new way and so you have got to take care of yourself. It’s a lot of mental work.
0:09:14 – Speaker 3
It’s a lot of carving out time for conversation, Whether it’s. You know, I was thinking about this the other day. We were driving in the car and I just wanted to drive and be quiet and just listen to radio. But it was the perfect opportunity. Me and my son and I was like, okay, this is a perfect opportunity. And so I turned down the radio and, you know, started talking, asking questions, seeing if it was a good time for him, that he wanted to talk.
Now he was a little tired, so it didn’t really work, and so I turned back the radio up and then we went on our day. But I made the effort, you know, and it’s just that mental, trying to figure out, okay, when are they ready to talk, and normally it’s when you’re at your worst and you’re like I’m so tired I could not do this right now, oh my goodness, yeah, but the whole looking in the mirror thing, it really does start with us and we have a show on that, a whole show on really looking at yourself and saying how am I hindering the conversations?
What do I need to change?
0:10:12 – Speaker 2
Do the hard work. It’s definitely worth it.
And then as you’re on that journey, working on yourself. The next step is your marriage. If you are in a marriage and you’re parenting together, nham, man, it’s hard. But if you go on this journey alone and you try to parent without getting on the same page with your spouse, it’s gonna be rough in a lot of different ways. And so many parents have come to us or moms, especially when we started this journey and said, man, I get it, I’m seeing this shift and I’m changing things in my home and I’m already seeing the difference with my kids. But then I’m realizing I don’t have this kind of open communication with my husband. Or they’re finding things online, issues with their husbands with gambling or pornography or whatnot and they don’t know how to deal with it. So marriage is the next component of where we need to start creating a culture of conversation.
0:10:59 – Speaker 3
Well, and that’s difficult, it’s super hard. I’ve had my husband on the show a couple times and we’ve done some shows on that, like what that’s looked like in our marriage. I remember we did one. It’s called From Fighting to Talking and we really did go from a lot of fighting to a lot of talking because he would do things or say things or I would Like my tone would come out in a negative way. You know he would come home and be exhausted or whatever, and he wasn’t helping me like I thought he should help me, and so it would come out in sarcastic tone to him.
Well, now we’ve recognized that he needs to just communicate to me when he’s had a bad day. So I know he needs a minute or I need to communicate to him. I have had a horrible day. You’re gonna have to step it up. Tonight we’re actually talking about those things instead of just like assuming and getting mad and fighting about it, and so it really has made a world of difference, and it’s an unexpected blessing that I didn’t expect on this journey, Because when I first started it, it was all about saving my kids from the online world. You know, like what am I gonna do? But I’ve seen this just amazing thing happen with Matt and I’s marriage as we began to really be honest with each other, and it’s been pretty cool, Hard to hear, sometimes really hard to hear.
0:12:11 – Speaker 2
But really cool. It’s so worth it in so many different ways. One you’ll just find this new satisfaction with your marriage because it becomes a safe place for you.
And we need that too. As a spouse, we need a safe place as we’re on this parenting journey. And then you’re setting this incredible example for your kids when they see you communicating and talking through things, even when it’s hard man, what a gift that is for them as they go into relationships when they get older. And then also, if you and your spouse are not on the same page about creating this safe place for your kids, if your kid comes to you and they’re getting this great conversation but then they go to your spouse and they’re getting shut down, super confusing and that can cause a lot of conflict. So starting with yourself and then moving that into the marriage component really creates that whole environment of a safe place for the family.
0:12:57 – Speaker 3
Well, and my husband always says honey, talk, guys don’t like to talk, and when you say that, it makes us like ooh, like run the opposite direction. It’s not really that, though. It’s really about the culture we’re creating in our home, the safe place, just exactly what you said, and I think one thing that I missed as a wife for literally 15 years I just literally discovered this, the last five years was I always looked at Matt like the leader, the rock, the foundation. I mean, he’s always been the tough one, right when things get crazy, I look to him. I’m like fix this, help me. What I missed was he needs a safe place.
Like he’s got things going on too, and he can’t always be the strong one and he needs to be able to, and that’s just been a beautiful blessing. But the safe place is really the culture. Cultivating that culture in your home is really what we’re talking about here. It’s not like let’s sit down for three hours and go through everything. Lots of these conversations with Matt are two minutes or they’re on while he’s commuting and we’re on the phone, but it’s just working out some things so that we’re not fighting later.
0:14:00 – Speaker 2
Yeah, it’s just really honestly being honest. I mean, that is here’s how I’m feeling about this and, like you said, doesn’t have to be this long thing. It’s just talking through the reality of the situation and how can we do this thing better, how can we make it better for each other?
0:14:13 – Speaker 3
Because oftentimes, how we’re communicating with our marriage, we really are. That is gonna trickle down into our kids, absolutely For sure.
0:14:20 – Speaker 2
Don’t you hear your kids repeating you? Yeah, absolutely my kids all the time say things and I’m like ooh, and then like wait a minute that’s me, yeah, and so that kind of shines that light on things that I need to work on.
0:14:30 – Speaker 3
My husband calls my daughter little Mandy, and last night we had a situation where she was my Bubby, was doing something and it was annoying and she was just laying down the law for him yes, the oldest kid and we were looking at each other and he was smiling and I was like, oh, that’s annoying.
0:14:45 – Speaker 2
And he was like, yes, it is like yes, I have this habit of asking a question and then I’ll say yes or no. And I heard my son say that some months back. He was asking a little something and he was like yes or no and he did the clap and I was like, oh, that’s so bad, what do I do that? But it showed me something I need to work on my tone, but then you go back to step one. I’ll go back to step one.
0:15:09 – Speaker 3
I gotta work on myself so much Work on yourself and then work in your marriage Be on the same team together, guys.
0:15:15 – Speaker 2
Really it’s so important. So, first yourself and then marriage Coming up. We’re gonna talk a little bit about the next step, which, of course, would be your kids.
0:15:24 – Speaker 3
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0:15:44 – Speaker 2
So on our next show we’re really gonna delve deep in how to create this culture of conversation with your kids, this open communication. But that really is step three. You’ve got to build a safe place for them. You’ve got to build their trust. Not let your feelings and emotion take over, and avoid crazy mom mode at all costs or crazy dad mode.
0:16:03 – Speaker 3
Or back up to step two, crazy wife mode. That was a thing for me that I didn’t realize until we started on this journey. But yeah, just remaining calm. I love the quote from Jennifer Rothschild Feelings are powerful, but they don’t always represent truth.
Yes, so many times we react out of emotion and if we just take a step back, we pray and we process, we just take a minute. Sometimes it may mean reading scripture, it may mean calling a mentor, it may mean just sitting down with your spouse and being like I am livid right now and this is what’s running through my mind, and then helping your spouse can help you process it. Well, where do you think all this is coming from? Maybe this is a trigger from when you were a kid, because I don’t feel like this is a big deal, just having someone help you talk through those emotions.
But what happens is so many times we just respond with those emotions and we say things we don’t want to say and we can never get those words back. And then there are hurt feelings that we have to deal with, and then there’s drama, and then that takes on a life of its own and we never get to the root of the problem because then we’re dealing with the drama. It’s like putting a band-aid over a band-aid over a band-aid, because you’re responding with those emotions and you’re just saying whatever comes to mind and listen, if we have that kind of home, the spouse isn’t gonna wanna come home, the kids aren’t gonna, that’s not a safe place, that’s a chaotic mess is what that is. And so learning to control those emotions is just key on this journey. It is just key Because we all have them. I love what you do with your kids, that name, that emotion, because you had the littles on the team and I think that’s brilliant.
0:17:42 – Speaker 2
Well, you know, it’s just one of those things, like even for myself, sometimes I’m feeling something I’m like. What is this Like?
why am I reacting this way, or why am I tensing up inside, or why do I absolutely want to cry in this moment, all these strong emotions that we have. And for little kids, they’re just learning to process that and it really helps. We say name that emotion Like what are you feeling right now? And it takes a minute usually for them to get there. They’re like I don’t know. And as we work through it it eventually comes out like I’m angry. Well, why are you angry? And we walk through what caused that anger and then we talk about healthy ways to get that emotion out, because a lot of times with my little people it’s like I’m gonna pull your hair, that’s how I’m gonna deal with being angry, or I’m gonna kick this thing or whatever it might be, or I’m gonna say hurtful things as they get older. And so we name our emotions and then we try to find a healthy way to work through them and that helps. It does, because emotions respond to emotions.
0:18:34 – Speaker 3
Have you ever noticed that, like when I’m crazy, I feel like my kids are crazy?
0:18:38 – Speaker 2
When I’m crazy to my husband, he’s crazy back to me. It’s like they attract each other.
0:18:42 – Speaker 3
And when I it’s that picking at each other, like you’re just like we call it chickens.
0:18:47 – Speaker 2
Yeah, like loud, annoying pecking at each other and I’m doing the motion here with my hands.
0:18:53 – Speaker 3
You’re doing the chicken, but they can’t see it.
0:18:54 – Speaker 2
Yes, but you know what we’re saying, right? That craziness that ensues, that chaos. And logic tends to attract logic, and so if we can step away and like man, he said whatever that means. Like for my husband, he has to physically go for a walk or a drive.
He needs that 30 minutes of mental space and then he can come back and we can have a good conversation. I usually am like crawling up under the covers or I need to cry, like I deal with stress by crying and I used to beat myself up about that and I’m like, why am I beating myself up about it? That’s how I have to get it out. I’ll go in my little corner or in my room, I’ll get it out and then I feel like I can breathe and have a conversation. Yeah, so whatever it is that you can take out of the take the emotions out and get back to a logical place. Man, that creates a home and an environment that’s safe for your spouse and for your kids, and that’s where open communication starts.
0:19:45 – Speaker 3
That’s the culture we’re describing, and it’s a place that you want to come home to when you’re having a bad day, where you can walk in the door and say honey, I need to speak with you for two minutes in the bedroom and you can lay it all out and you can be like this is my day and this is everything that’s gone wrong, and they just help you process it.
Sometimes my husband will be like just go to bed, just go to bed, I got this. Sometimes he will say you know what? I think this is a trigger from when you were little and I don’t think this is a big deal, but you’re thinking it’s a big deal and that is hard to hear sometimes, especially when I’m emotional, but I know he always says it to help me process what’s going on. So sometimes I have to take a step back, and sometimes it is. Sometimes it’s not a big deal at all, it’s just I have blown it out of a proportion because of one little thing that just triggered me and sent me on this tailspin of emotions, and I need perspective.
0:20:35 – Speaker 2
Yeah, so true, but you’re right.
0:20:36 – Speaker 3
I love that Logic attracts logic, because it’s true, it is absolutely true. The more I have processed my emotions and my kids have seen me responding less in this feeling stage I’m seeing it with them and my kids will talk out loud like I do, like my kid will be, like yesterday. I’ll give you an example. I was in a bad mood yesterday and we were driving home. My kid was trying to talk to me. I was just out of it, I was in a bad mood. And she said I feel like you’re in a bad mood today, mom, and that’s OK. And I thought to myself that’s how I talk to her now. That’s before.
We would have thought she would have screamed at me. Why do you not care about me? I would have hit back. But now it’s like a logical conversation. It was just mom, I can tell you’re in a bad mood today, and that’s OK. And then we talked through that and I was like OK, and I came home last night and I was like because I had another event I had to do and I was like you know what, I was in a bad mood and thank you for just giving me grace. And she was like you do me all the time Like it’s true it works. Logic attracts logic. I like that clause, kim.
0:21:37 – Speaker 2
Well, it’s something my husband always says, and this is going to sound super random, but it’s not. If you don’t take out the trash, the house is going to stink.
0:21:45 – Speaker 3
0:21:45 – Speaker 2
Like it just is. I am gonna confess about something, but this runs through my head a lot. When I feel like our house is not in a good place. We have a puppy If you’ve ever had a puppy you know, it’s like having them. It’s a hard stage and they poop in the wrong place.
0:22:02 – Speaker 3
Except you can’t get diapers. I mean, there are doggy diapers, but I don’t think they fit really well.
0:22:07 – Speaker 2
Super weird. You can dress them, okay, we’re getting off topic, anyway. So my dog has had an accident. He just pooped before. Now. You know, if you come into my house.
0:22:17 – Speaker 3
You might be sleeping with poop. New puppy poop is not good.
0:22:19 – Speaker 2
It’s not good and I sometimes in the rush.
0:22:21 – Speaker 3
Don’t let your vacuum, your robot vacuum, run over it.
0:22:24 – Speaker 2
Did you see that?
0:22:25 – Speaker 3
I did see that when there’s tracks of poop everywhere. We made a joke about that, yes.
0:22:30 – Speaker 2
Cause my littles like to turn on the Roomba. But anyway, there have been times where, like, I’m in the middle of doing a million things and there’s poop and I will bag it up, clean it up and put it in the trash can in the house and when my husband comes home he’s like what is that smell? And I can’t smell it cause I’m in it. I’m in it in the, you know, I’m in the house. There’s like chicken, there’s kids sticky kids, you know. So there’s all of this stuff.
0:22:54 – Speaker 3
So I don’t smell the poop you don’t smell the chaos, so I don’t think to take it out.
0:22:58 – Speaker 2
Yes, and then a fresh set of eyes fresh nose comes in and it’s like it stinks in here.
0:23:05 – Speaker 3
0:23:05 – Speaker 2
I’ve been thinking about that a lot lately. I don’t know if the Lord is trying to tell me something.
0:23:08 – Speaker 3
I like that analogy. But it’s like you, it’s good.
0:23:11 – Speaker 2
It’s funny but it’s true Like if we do not take the time to stop and smell the poop not the roses, the poop and take it out, it’s going to cause an environment that nobody wants to come home to. We’ve got to deal with our stuff.
0:23:23 – Speaker 3
We have to With ourselves, with our marriage, everything before we can really create this culture. I love that. I love that analogy. You got to take out the trash.
0:23:31 – Speaker 2
You have to take out the trash or it’s going to stink.
0:23:34 – Speaker 3
Okay, so we’ve been talking about we got off a little bit, but that’s okay. This is a big show. This is how we roll.
0:23:38 – Speaker 2
We’ve been talking about how to create this culture of conversation. You’ve got to start with yourself. You really do deal with your baggage. Then you’ve got to delve into your marriage. You want to create that safe place for your spouse as well.
0:23:49 – Speaker 3
And let me just say we didn’t talk a ton about marriage today. I mean, we did a little bit, but we have a ton of shows, like you and Charles have some great shows. You can look at the marriage talk series, the midlife series. All of those marriage shows are on the podcast.
0:24:03 – Speaker 2
So the last step. You know, we talked about kids and we’re going to talk a little bit more about that we’re going to do a specific show on that next time. Yeah, but you also have to build your tribe. What does that mean? These are your people that help you walk through this journey. It’s tough alone, yeah.
0:24:16 – Speaker 3
And we have a show on that too, called Finding your Tribe. But you really need support on this journey and this is really we’re passionate about this at nextTalk. This is why we encourage people to have home groups and church groups and use our video curriculum, for that is because we want to grow that community. We want you to be able to have a safe place to be like I found this on my kid’s phone and then somebody else in the group be like it’s okay, we got to default to love and this is what we need to do. You know like help you walk through that.
0:24:43 – Speaker 2
Then something like that happens. I’m glad you said that, because sometimes people get turned off by that word tribe. And they’re like I don’t have a friend that I talk to every day, all day on the phone, and then you know we had sleepovers in middle school and we’re best friends forever.
0:24:54 – Speaker 3
That’s not what we’re talking about no, so don’t stress out. This is a neighbor that you’re just getting to know.
0:24:59 – Speaker 2
Yes, Invest in people. Be the kind of friend you want to be. Find someone who’s going through a similar stage of life. These are people in your tribe, Maybe a mentor? Their kids just left for college and they’ve got a little extra time.
0:25:10 – Speaker 3
And these are the people that are in your tribe. Yeah, a wrap up for today’s show. One open communication starts with us. We have to see how we’re shutting down the lines of conversation. Two the kind of communication we have in our marriage often trickles down to our kids. Can we be 100% honest with our spouse? And three build a safe place with your kids. They need to trust you.
0:25:34 – Speaker 1
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