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So Mandy and I have been contacted a couple of times about this question, so we want to dive in and talk about it today. My kid called me a homophobe or a transphobe. What should I do? Never easy. Here we are.
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Here we are doing the hard things like tackling every subject, right, because that’s our mission at nextTalk, and I do think this question is important, but it’s a hard one, and so I guess the first thing I want to say is hang with us today. If there’s something we say that you don’t like and I’ve said this on other controversial shows If there’s something we say that you don’t like, wait until you hear the other part of that equation. Okay, because there’s a lot here And we’re not experts. We don’t know the answers to everything. But the purpose of this podcast and the purpose of nextTalk is to dive in to the difficult topics so we can try and figure this out. We can talk through some things like how do kids see this, how do parents see this from a biblical perspective? Put all that out there on the table, so there’s a good dialogue happening. That’s our goal, right? Yeah?
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Well, and our goal is to create that place of conversation in your home where this becomes normal, that these hard topics, even though they are hard, that it’s not like, oh no, our once a year big conversation about hard things, that this is just an everyday conversation, because this is the world your kids are living in. They are faced with it every day. They’re faced with hard and difficult and new things, and so that, and then also what we always say here at nextTalk, your family, your choice. you know we’re going to present some ideas here. We’re going to tell you what we believe and talk about some things that maybe will help you with your conversation with your kids. So, the end of the day, this is between you and God, you and your spouse or you and your family, how you’re going to handle it under your roof.
0:02:24 – Speaker 1
Well said, sister, and you know I like what you said the open communication that we always talk about, the creating a culture of conversation in your home. I love how you said it’s not like a one big annual conversation. I mean this is like real talk on the go, as you’re driving to practice, when you’re picking up from school, as you’re eating breakfast. Like that should be the kind of culture in your home that anytime your kid can ask you a question, or if there’s something trending on Twitter, you can talk about it right then in there. Like that’s the kind of home we need to create for our kids, who are growing up in a world where they’re hearing all sorts of opinions all day long.
0:02:58 – Speaker 2
Yeah, I mean the media doesn’t wait for the right time. They’re like pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing. They’re not, So you can’t wait for the right time. Yes, this is a good time for you, no, so we need to always have it be a good time where our kids can talk to us.
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So this question let’s go back to this question and really dive in. You know, one of the main reasons why I feel like this show is very important to do is we overuse this word a lot And so anything that disagrees or isn’t in alignment with we call phobic, and the reason that’s such a problem is there are LGBTQ kids being hurt because of phobic issues And we don’t want to contribute to that. We do not want to contribute to that, so we have to break it down for our kids, because they’re calling everything phobic And when that happens, we know we’ll start rolling our eyes. People call stuff homophobe, transphobic. We just roll our eyes because it’s used every day. Everybody’s called that now Just like bullying, right. And then the real issues of phobic that are really plaguing poor kids that are struggling don’t get answered, don’t get solved, and so we covered this on our bullying show. We’re watering down the word because we’re popping the label on everything.
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You know, mandy, you said don’t roll your eyes, And it’s exactly what we want you to think about here. Instead of rolling your eyes, check yourself And that’s hard to do Like looking in the mirror, really thinking through your words, your actions, your beliefs. I don’t always like to do that, because sometimes the outcome is not what I want to project, it’s not who I think I am, and that’s just being completely transparent. I would never say I’m phobic or racist or whatever, any of those things that we don’t want, those labels we don’t want to take on. But maybe my actions are not in line with what I say, my beliefs are, and so checking our heart and asking ourselves am I? I mean, i think that’s a legitimate question.
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I mean, I’ve been asked this question a couple of times, contacted by parents, you know, and it is the first thing that I ask them Are you, Does your kid have cause for concern? I mean, I think we have to check our heart And so sometimes I will pose to them you know, you throw out an example when you’re talking to somebody about this or mentally check yourself. If I have a gay or trans waiter, am I treating them equally like I would anyone else? Am I being mean? Am I phobic?
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Yeah, well, I. One of the things I think people do that is the result of being phobic is being dismissive because we don’t want to deal with it, And so I think that’s another thing to check yourself on too. Like like your example of the waiter or the waitress maybe you’re not being mean, but maybe you’re being dismissive. Maybe you’re just not making eye contact or speaking to them or acting differently. So I think in those situations, it’s real important to examine your heart, examine your actions and your words. Start there, Start by looking in the mirror 100%.
0:05:56 – Speaker 1
I mean we’ve got to ask ourselves the tough questions Are we? And if we are, we’ve got to do a self evaluation there, you know, because I think Jesus led with this. We see him having dinner with sinners, yeah Right. We see him with a Samaritan woman at the well And the Samaritan woman if you don’t know that story, it’s in John 4. You know, samaritan was a different race than Jesus, who was a Jew, and you didn’t talk to people of that race And she was a woman. Men did not talk to women in. I mean, we weren’t educated, we were property back then, right? So the fact that Jesus approached this woman in public and the Samaritan woman, he broke through gender and racial barriers in his day. I mean, he was radical, yeah, he was not afraid to break down barriers, and I think that we have to keep that in mind as Jesus followers, like that is a key piece to this equation.
0:06:54 – Speaker 2
Yeah, It’s um, it’s hard because sometimes when we’re thinking about our kids, you know we want to bubble wrap them. We make decisions out of fear because we’re like, you know, I don’t want them to be exposed to something or I don’t want them to lean that way or go that way or try this thing, And so that plays into that phobic type of reaction And Jesus says you know, we can’t live in fear, We can’t approach people with that in mind, even when it comes to our kids. And he sat with the sinners and he talked with those who believed differently Didn’t mean that he engaged in that behavior And I think that’s important, But he didn’t disrespect them or treat them as lower citizens. And that’s that piece where we really need to dig into. Are we doing that? Are we? are we inviting people into our home that are different? Are we being respectful to those who believe in a way that we don’t?
0:07:50 – Speaker 1
So, kim, i really like what you brought up and what you just said. All of it is so true. You know, you said there’s a legitimate concern with parents, like I don’t want especially little to be exposed to certain mentalities that, as Christians, we believe are sinful, right. And here’s the thing where you can check your heart with that And I want to challenge you Is it only LGBTQ? So, for example, if you’ve got a heterosexual couple that is doing something inappropriate, you know they’re, maybe they’re making out in public or you know, whatever it is, that is like whoa, i don’t want my kids to be exposed to that. You need to check yourself. Is it everything that you’re trying to make sure that they’re not exposed to? Or is it just LGBTQ stuff? And I think that’s a way that, again, you need to keep checking your heart with that. You need to keep checking your heart because we don’t want to become like a Pharisee.
That was a religious leader of the day who was holier than thou and questioned Jesus on everything. When he had dinner with the sinners, the Pharisees were like whoa, what is he doing? That’s radical, that’s crazy. And Jesus says it is the sick who need a doctor. Like that’s where I’m going to go. I’m going to go into the places where there are sinners And so again, that heart of Jesus. We constantly need to be studying that, because if we are connected in scripture and reading the character of Jesus, we’re going to have the love piece. But if you get disconnected from the Holy Spirit, you’re not going to have the love piece and you’re going to become phobic, because that is like a flesh, it’s a sin, right, and so we need to constantly be checking ourselves with that in our heart, you know.
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To put this into perspective, i had this great conversation with a kid the other day about this, and one of the things they said that I thought was just so wise is I said you know, for some reason, a lot of times you know us as Christians and I’m using us here we think someone being gay or transgender or anything outside of traditional man and woman is the ultimate sin And we put it up here on the shelf as like okay, you know, even even if my kid is on drugs, i’ll take that over. That Like it’s really. We go to these extremes.
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It’s messed up, if you say that out loud, but it’s messed up, but but you’re speaking it out loud.
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Some people feel that way, some people feel that way, and so I was having this conversation with this kid and I said why do you think that is?
And they said you know, i think because so many of the other sins are things that we dabble in and have deemed okay, but that one not so much that one seems like a mystery and anything that we don’t know a lot about, we’re fearful of, like we know about gluttony. We’ve all had too much to eat on a Saturday night, you know, pizza, movie night, or whatever. We’ve all lied white lies, we’ve all dabbled, we’ve maybe looked at someone and felt lust outside of our marriage or outside of our boyfriend, girlfriend relationship and had to reel that back in. We’ve dabbled in the other sins a lot more socially than I think that And I thought that was very wise. Maybe that’s why we come from a place of fear, that it’s unknown, and so instead of getting to understand and learning to love someone so you can understand where they’re coming from, we just set it up on the shelf as the ultimate sin and then we become so big.
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Well, it’s not the ultimate sin.
No no no, it’s not the ultimate sin. Like we want to be very, very clear. It is a sin, but it is the same sin that I would have if I went outside of my heterosexual marriage and had an affair with the man. Like it is the same kind of sexual, the same kind of sexual immorality that is discussed biblically And so, but you’re right, we do, we put it on a pedestal and then everything becomes about that. I think, too, as Christian parents, we can take note of what this kid said. Right, this is kind of like an unknown and like, oh, and it makes you more curious.
We did a show on why sheltering doesn’t work And I’m telling you, go listen to that show, because that plays into this. The more you try, especially as your kids get older okay, and they’re exposed. They’re exposed through social media, they’re exposed through friends, they’re exposed to all sorts of things. I’m not, i’m not talking just about LGBTQ issues, i’m talking about porn, i’m talking about all the things right The more that they are exposed, it’s almost like they need to see for themselves what is okay and what is not, and sometimes, as a parent, that’s hard, but you have to trust what you’ve taught And that’s why it’s important to teach the foundationals early in the Christian faith. It’s so important. Like Kim, i was talking to you and I was challenging you the other day and saying your kids are younger. It’s so important for you right now to establish that you are not a phobic family before your kids call you phobic, because they’re going to remember that And that is the way of Jesus. Jesus is love. Jesus was not phobic, so you’re not being progressive or liberal or whatever.
By teaching the foundation of love in your family And it is so, so important. If you wait and you don’t teach the foundation of being kind to everyone and treating each other with mutual respect, if you don’t teach that when they’re young and then they get old, they’re going to be exposed to all the things And everybody on TikTok and Instagram is saying your Christian parent is a bigot, they’re a homophobe and they’re a transphobe because they don’t agree with everything. Right, that’s what they’re hearing. If you have not taught that foundation of love, it’s really hard to teach that, because then you’re defending the label Right And it becomes more of well. I’m going to show you I can love people because you called me that. I am challenging you. Christian parents with young kids Set the foundation early, before you’re even dropped a bad label on by your older kids Like you have an opportunity here to create a home of a foundation of love, which is what Jesus was about.
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Yes, You’re establishing your character to your kids. just like Jesus did in the scriptures. We go back to his character when we’re questioning something, The same when your kids are questioning you. if they can go back and see a pattern of your character, then you have a high ground to stand on versus drowning in all the things that other people are saying about you.
0:14:19 – Speaker 1
Yeah. So you see why we wanted to do this show. It’s important, but we kind of want to give you some practical things, like what kinds of good conversations can you have in your home, and some practical things you can do. So first of all, you need to define what phobia is for your kids and what it is not, and you give real life examples that they can relate to. So one of the examples that I’ve used is hey, you remember years ago when the Chick-fil-A founder guy came out and said I believe marriage is between a man and a woman, right, and there was this huge boycott of chicken Boycott.
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Right, jesus is chicken. Yeah, christian chicken.
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I feel like that was a turning point when things became very politicized, like even where you eat your chicken became politicized. At that point, yes, but anyway, the fact that he said that, in my opinion, that is his deeply held religious belief. He’s a right to that, okay. Now had he said gay and LGBTQ people are not allowed in our restaurants or not allowed to work here, that is phobic. Don’t do that. That’s different. You are a business, a non-religious business that serves the public, so you can’t pick and choose who you’re gonna serve Like. You have to treat everyone equally right And so showing your kid that would have been phobic, that would have been wrong. I would have boycotted Chick-fil-A, but now let’s go get some nuggets, okay, because it’s okay that he has this deeply held religious belief. Now, you can agree with that deeply held religious belief or not, but he’s not forcing it on you if you wanna go through their drive-thru.
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I mean, that’s the whole foundation of our country is that you get to choose, you get to say, and without going to jail, you get to say I believe in Jesus, but he’s not forcing it on anyone. Like you said, someone can come through the drive-thru and be of a completely different religion or be gay, and they will serve them the same chicken. It’s different And this is a great practical story to bring that to life for your kids, cause it’s very simple and straightforward And I think it’s a really good one.
0:16:33 – Speaker 1
Now I do wanna say, as your kids get older, this is a great conversation starter for, like younger, i would say, middle school type, when they’re starting to ask questions and you can kind of go in and have some practical examples of what is phobic and what is not, cause I think we really need to define that for our family and look at this.
But then also, as your kids get older, they’re gonna study Supreme Court laws and they’re gonna study like they’re gonna get into the legalities of it all. Now the second layer to this conversation, and don’t do this with your middle schoolers unless they’re asking to go deeper, because it may be confusing to them. But then the conversation becomes well, but what about religious organizations? right, because religious organizations maybe they only wanna hire people who have the same beliefs, because that’s their religion, and is that discrimination or is that religious freedom? Just like a church, or just like a pastor who may not feel comfortable marrying two people because it goes against his or her religious freedom, and so that’s a separate conversation. But the Chick-fil-A example, i think, is a great one because it’s a business, it’s not any religious freedom associated with it, and so you can really break down is this phobia or is this not?
0:17:49 – Speaker 2
That’s great, because you’re seeing it at different levels there And with the different ages. I think it’s important to go deeper and to get more detailed as they get older. But I think then the next part of that or kind of interweaved within that is they’re gonna start applying this conversation to themselves, to their own home, to our home, and so are we inviting people over that are different than we are. Mandy, i know you actually talked to a family who said they don’t allow any LGBTQ families in their home or people in their home.
0:18:21 – Speaker 1
I was a little shocked and I had to tell myself to default to love. Okay, because I had to take my own advice here. I gotta default to love on both sides here. Here’s the thing with this, okay. So let me give you another example about inviting people into your home. I think it’s extremely important for your kids to see you love people that you don’t agree with, and blessed be the name if you can have a friend who does not believe the same things you do and there’s a mutual respect kind of thing. It’s just amazing, i think, for your kids to be able to witness that. So here’s an example that we can give our kids Say, you’re on a volleyball team and we’re gonna invite the whole volleyball team over for a barbecue right, just team building kind of cultural thing.
Well, mom finds out two are lesbians, ones using different pronouns, all the different kinds of things that could be happening. And then mom says, okay, your whole team can come, except those three people. That’s not, we’re not gonna do that in our home, in my personal opinion. I believe that’s phobic and I do not believe that is the way of Jesus. Like I do not believe it is the way of Jesus, i believe that it’s a great opportunity for your kids. They’ve been discipled their whole life on what the Bible says about marriage and about gender, about biological sex, like all the things right, and they know how you feel about these things. I think it’s a great opportunity for you to show your kids Like I’m going to love you no matter what, like I’m going to love these people, i’m going to honor you. Know, whatever they want me to call them, i’m like I don’t get to speak into their life if they don’t ask me.
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Now it’s a different situation. If a kid says, hey, i want to talk to you about this, like I’m struggling with this, i want your opinion, well then you’ve gotten a green light, you’ve earned the right that that kid wants to know your opinion and you get to speak it. Speak it into them. Well, and I would even say this be even careful about giving your opinion. Many times when kids ask me my opinion if they are LGBTQ or any, but any kid struggling with something and they’re asking me these very hard questions This is what I say.
My opinion doesn’t matter. I am a human and I get things wrong all the time. I could be totally telling you the wrong thing. I could lead you down the wrong path. What I am telling you is read the word of God. He is the creator, he is Alpha, he is Omega. He will not lead you down the wrong path. So so like, don’t listen to me, i don’t get an opinion.
So again, it’s always that it doesn’t matter what I think.
It doesn’t matter what I think I am flawed, i am human.
But there is one who knows, and there is one that I put my trust in, and there is one that I will read his word and I will do what it says, because I it has been proven over and over in my life to be the only way that gives me true peace in this life, and so I’m going to keep doing that And I’m sorry if that offends you, that I can’t get on board with what you’re doing because of that, but I love you, come have dinner with me, like we don’t even have to talk about that, let’s talk about something else, like let’s talk about your favorite movie or whatever.
And so again, it’s that what is phobic and what is not. And so I think this example of inviting people into your home is a perfect example that you can have with your kids about. You know, i don’t believe in that. You know I don’t believe I’m phobic because I had these deeply held religious beliefs. Now if I were saying they can’t come to my house, they can’t come to my house, they can’t, that’s phobic. Like I’m not going to do that, and if I ever get to that point, you check my heart.
0:22:03 – Speaker 2
Tell me, call me out.
Okay, i want to speak to the little voice. Now. That’s happening in many people as they’re listening to us and they’re like well, i don’t want people coming into my house that you know, believe things that I feel very differently about And they’re acting out or talking about it or doing this thing. I understand, and so does Mandy. Like we get that And I think the conversation there becomes boundaries and respect, and that applies to anyone.
If there is a heterosexual couple that comes into my home like, let’s say, we invite the volleyball team over and there’s a boy and a girl and they’re making out on my couch or they’re talking to my kids about things that they’re doing in the bedroom or they’re having sex before marriage You know this is like middle school, high school Those things are pushing an agenda and they are not respecting our boundaries about things that we want to talk about under our roof and with our kids. So they would not be welcome in my home if they’re not going to respect the things that are important to us. As far as boundaries, that applies to everyone. If someone comes in and they’re yelling about their political beliefs and they’re trying to push them on me in a way that is disrespectful.
Same thing. I probably will not invite you back if you’re disrespectful. Same thing with LGBTQ or anything else. If there’s two girls, two guys, they’re saying you really need to try this to my kid or you really need to consider this lifestyle, and they’re pushing, pushing. It’s a boundaries issue, not a lifestyles issue, and that’s the difference of phobic versus boundaries that I think we struggle with, because that should apply to everything that comes under your roof that affects your kids. We need to have clear and understood boundaries and it not apply just to one people group.
0:23:48 – Speaker 1
Absolutely Well and Kim, what you’re, what you’re touching on here, is very important, because I think for a lot of our listeners they’re like, oh my gosh, mandy’s gone progressive or Mandy’s gone liberal. That’s what they’re thinking. They’re like, oh my gosh, that’s not what I’m saying. That is not what I’m saying. Listen, the Bible says, first Corinthians do not be conceived. Bad company ruins good morals. We see over and over again in proverbs iron sharpens iron’s friendship. Those are the people you need to be hanging around with, people who are pushing you towards Jesus, not away from. So you need to continue. This is part of discipleship in your home that should be happening, since they’re four and five is who are you hanging out with? Yeah, are they making you closer to Jesus? Are they pulling you away from Jesus? One of the things that I in high school that I challenge my kids with is this name one friend that you respect, so much that you want to be, and if they can’t name that person, you’re in the wrong friend group. You need to pray for a better friend, because you need a friend pushing you towards Jesus, making you a better person, calling you out when you’re doing crap. Maybe you’re being phobic and your friend’s calling you out and being like this is not the way of Jesus, right? I would call you out Kim Elric. I would call you out. I’d call you out You. But so these boundaries are important.
I am saying you need to be having conversations with your kids about who you’re hanging out with. Are they of Jesus? Are they not sinning? And that should not just be LGBTQ conversations. It should be. If your friends are, like you said, a boy, girl, are they having sex? Is that something that you want to be around? Always checking yourself. Don’t make it about homosexual, make it about heterosexual and say would I respond the same way? Would I respond the same way? That’s a way you can check yourself to make sure you’re not going into this phobic lane that does so much damage and that’s not okay. And we did a show on navigating friendships and we talked about, like your inner circle friends and that bullseye. That should be a select group of people. The friends that are constantly coming over to your house should be a group of kids that are pushing your kids towards Jesus. If they’re not, then you need to pray for that group, because you’re not in the right group.
0:26:04 – Speaker 2
Yeah, for sure.
0:26:05 – Speaker 1
So this is like two separate levels. The example I gave was a blanket. You have a team coming over, you have whatever coming over And it’s a different situation on who am I spending every day with and how is that impacting me. And, like you said, that plays into boundaries discipleship about who your friends are and who you want to be around.
0:26:27 – Speaker 2
I think an easy way to think about that is. A lot of times when we think of church, we think of a building that we go to on Sundays and maybe Wednesday night. But God says we are the church. And I think of it in that way, like we are the church, inviting people over, thinking of myself as how can I minister to them? as the church is more of a broad outreach, like I’m gonna be kind and love you in the name of Jesus, and that’s different than your inner circle, like you said, mandy. That’s a different. That’s like your small group, the people that you bring into your world and share your thoughts and your struggles and your highs and your lows, and they know you. Those people do need to believe like you do. They do need to be pushing you towards Jesus. But we also have to minister to those who don’t know Jesus and who are walking in sin. And that’s the bigger church that we all need to be a part of, these big shows.
0:27:22 – Speaker 1
I pray over them a lot. We talk to our team, i talk to my spouse. You know all the things And I was talking to my spouse about it and he said something so great. He was like if everybody sins, so we can’t invite anybody over to our home, like what? Like it’s true, right, you have to break it down for your kid, but giving these examples of is this phobic or not?
You do a couple of things in this situation. You acknowledge to your kids that there are phobic situations and they’re wrong. You need to acknowledge that to your kids. The other thing is they need to understand just because I disagree, it doesn’t mean I hate. It doesn’t mean I hate.
And the other thing it does is it sets up the standard of the deeply held religious beliefs. Those are personal to me, they are between me and God And that shouldn’t be taken away. That’s a right that I have, right. And even if we lived in a different country where it wasn’t my right in America, i can still have that personal relationship between me and God, and nobody may even know. But that is my right as a human being. My soul I get to pray to who I believe is the God right, the God of the universe, and I think those are all really important conversations to have with our kids so that we can really dialogue in this culture.
I will tell you, if your kid labels you phobic of any kind and you’ve never established the character of Jesus in your home as being loving and having dinner with sinners and breaking through the race and cultural and gender norms of the day with people like the Samaritan woman, if you have not established that in your home and they don’t see you loving people who are different than you, you are gonna lose credibility with your kid to disciple them in the area of sexuality and sex. You’re gonna lose your credibility and they’re not gonna listen to you And, honestly, they’re probably right not to listen to you. I mean, i’m gonna just say it because you are letting your flesh take over and you’re becoming phobic and you’re not being the way of Jesus And so it’s gonna shut down all avenues of conversation that you could speak into your kid. You’re gonna lose that. You’re gonna lose it because you have no credibility, because you’re phobic.
0:29:49 – Speaker 2
And listen. We know none of this is easy. Like I’m just thinking practically, like on a regional level. You are gonna be exposed to different things, dependent where you live, and you may not have even thought about some of these things or dealt with them or dug into how it affects your relationship with your kids, or you may be in an area where this is your everyday reality and this is something that you have discussed and thought through since the day your kids were born.
Regardless, i wanna go back to what we said in the beginning you gotta check your heart, like you gotta see where you are. Maybe you are not phobic, but you’re not having these conversations with your kid. Maybe you are phobic and it’s time to do some work with Jesus, like some educating yourself. We’ve got some shows, like we have a sexuality show, a pronoun show educate yourself, think through these things, pray through these things How do I really feel, so that you can be in conversation and communication with your kid and that you don’t lose all credibility, like we’re all somewhere in here in this conversation, and that’s what we’re doing this show for, so you can identify where you’re at and dig in deeper for the sake of your kids.
0:30:58 – Speaker 1
I mean this is important. We see lots of young people walking away from the faith and I believe a lot of it is because we’re phobic and we’re portraying that in our families and we have gotta check ourself here. We cannot be phobic, we just cannot be. We’ve got a default to love. Yes, we can set boundaries. Yes, we can talk about what is sin and what is not, but when we are going out and inviting people in, we have got to show love. It’s so important. Thank you so much for joining us, listening and sharing our podcast. Because of you, this show is in the top 5% of over 2.9 million podcasts.
0:31:40 – Speaker 2
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0:31:51 – Speaker 1
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